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SONA Interview with Lauro Vizconde on June 28, 2011 Jiggy: Sa gitna ng mga bagong development sa Vizconde massacre case, ngayong gabi, makakapanayam po natin si Ginoong Lauro Vizconde. Magandang gabi po, Mang Lauro. Lauro Vizconde: Good evening, Maki at saka Jiggy. Jiggy: Ano po ang inyong opinion tungkol dito sa re-investigation ng DOJ at yung kanila pong mga pahayag na pinalabas po kanina? Lauro Vizconde: I’m really happy with the outcome of the investigation of the groups of government agency which is directed by the President to re-open or re-investigate the case. With the revelation of the secretary of justice and the NBI only proves that one thing that Hubert was only here in the Philippines when the crime was committed as what the Webb claimed that he was in the United State at the time of the crime. And another thing, the witnesses has supported the physical evidence which is the magnetic reel tape taken from the BI wherein its said that there’s no such Hubert Webb who left the country sometimes on the month of March, April, May and June and no record of Hubert presence in the United States. Jiggy: Mang Lauro, sa loob po ng dalawang araw, expired na po yung 20 year prescriptive period para sa kaso. Ibig sabihin po, sarado na po talaga. Ano po ang masasabi niyo rito? Lauro Vizconde: Palagay ko naman hindi kasi although I’m not a lawyer, I believe that there are other suspect who are still at large that were not arraigned, can still be sued, ano. Pwede pa sigurong sampahan ‘pagkat hindi sila na-arraign eh kaya hindi masasabing mag-prescribe the 20 year period. On the part of the other group who are acquitted, yes I do believe. Jiggy: Kanina po si Mrs. Webb ay lumabas at nagbigay ng pahayag at galit dahil pinipilit pa rin daw po na yung anak niya ang may sala. Ano po ang reaksyon niyo dito? Lauro Vizconde: Well, pinatutunayan ng mga testigo na meron silang transaksyon or incident wherein they claim that Hubert was here when the crime was committed— before the crime was committed. Unlike the testimonies of the claim of the Webbs that he was in the United States since March 9 pero pinabulaanan ito ng ilang saksi na lumabas ngayon na diumano hindi siya nakalalabas ng pormal ‘pagkat sila ay matatakot na sila’y balikan ng mga taong ito. Maki: Mang Lauro, magandang gabi po sa inyo. Si Maki Pulido po ito. Lauro Vizconde: Yes, Good evening, Maki. Maki: Pero, Mang Lauro, hindi po ba kayo nagtataka na sa tinagal-tagal ng panahon eh ngayon lang naglutangan itong mga sinasabi nilang bagong ebidensya pati na po bagong mga testigo? Lauro Vizconde: Yun nga siguro ang pagkukulang ng prosecution na tungkol sa magnetic tape na nakuha ngayon ng NBI sa Bureau of Immigration. Another thing, syempre, ikaw naman siguro hindi basta basta lalantad ka para tumestigo kung alam mong, ika nga pwedeng magkaroon ka ng threat sa buhay kaya ito, I understand the fright of these witnesses who came up that at least they tried to reveal what they knew about the Webb. Maki: Eh paano po yun, Mang Lauro, dahil daw po sa principle ng double jeopardy, hindi na raw po pwedeng kasuhan muli yung mga suspek na napawalang sala na ng korte. Pero matibay pa rin po yung paniniwala niyo na sila ang mga may kasalanan? Lauro Vizconde: Well, hindi naman nangangahulugan na pinagpipilitan ko sila may kasalanan, na ihahabla ko pa sila. I know that the Supreme Court denied me the cruel justice for the death of my family. What I’m only after now is for the people to know who the real killers is. That’s why I even challenged the justices of the Supreme Court who acquitted this group to help me find out the real killer not unless na na-i-produce na sa akin at naipakitang ang taong talagang may kasalanan, that’s the only time that I’ll even ask apology to the Webbs. Maki: Mang Lauro, magtu-twenty years na po pero ang sigasig niyo pa rin sa paghabol sa mga pumaslang. Minsan po ba naisip niyo nang sumuko na lang? Lauro Vizconde: Hindi. Alam mo ang paghanap po ng katarungan para sa mga mahal mo sa buhay ay walang kapaguran eh. Imagine, having working out for at least my case to be resolved pero I was the very most disappointed after the Supreme Court handed down its decision acquitting Webb and the group. Maki: Maraming salamat po, Mang Lauro. Jiggy: Sinubukan po naming imbitahan ang pamilya Webb para sa live interview ngayong gabi pero hindi po sila nagpaunlak.
SONA Interview with Hubert Webb on June 29, 2011 Jiggy: Kagabi po ay nakapanayam natin si Ginoong Lauro Vizconde dito sa State of the Nation. Sa live interview po ay ipinakita ni Mang Lauro na tila nabuhayan siya muli ng loob sa paglitaw ng anim na bagong testigo sa kaso ng pag-massacre sa kaniyang pamilya. Maki: Ayon kay Mang Lauro, iginigiit ng mga testigo na narito sa Pilipinas si Hubert Webb nang mga panahong nangyari ang krimen. At para naman po marinig natin ang kabilang panig, makakausap po natin ngayon live, si Hubert Webb. Jiggy: Magandang gabi sayo Hubert, si Jiggy Manicad ito. Hubert Webb: Magandang gabi sayo Jiggy at Maki… at sa inyong mga nanunuod, magandang gabi sa inyong lahat. Jiggy: Hubert, nung ginagawa itong imbestigasyon, nagkaroon na ba kayo ng ideya na magiging ganito ang kalalabasan na findings ng NBI at ng DOJ? Hubert Webb: Well to tell you the truth, we were hoping that it would be unbiased but it seems that the NBI up to--- are back to their old games: trialing me by publicity, bringing out ghost witnesses that we can’t even face, sealing their names from us as Mr. X and Mr. Y saying that they are credible. So are we again to believe the NBI now? After they produced Jessica Alfaro? For all we know these are another--- for all we know these are more Jessica Alfaro’s which they’ve proven themselves to have done in the past, diba? Jiggy: At itong naging pahayag ni Secretary De Lima kahapon, ano yung naging reaksyon mo nung marinig mo kaagad itong naging mga pahayag nila? Hubert Webb: Nasaktan ako, nagalit, na-frustrate. Eh I hope that some of you can imagine losing 15 years of your life, believing in the system. And then i-a-acquit ka ng Supreme Court tapos maglalabas na naman sila ng ganito. I don’t know where can I go to defend my self now after this. Jiggy: Inamin ng DOJ at NBI na kumbaga talagang wala na rin naman silang magagawa dahil sinarado na nga ng Supreme Court itong kaso. Yun bang ganoong pahayag eh nakapagbigay sayo kahit papano ng, kumbaga comfort sa iyong pakiramdam? Hubert Webb: Jiggy, Maki, anong sinasabi niyong wala silang magagawa? Sinira nila ulit yung pangalan namin sa mga pahayag nila. Naglabas sila ng mga witnesses na hindi man namin makita. We can’t even cross examine them. How will you say that I would feel lighter that they can’t anymore put me back in trial? What relief can I get from that? Jiggy: Kumbaga sa korte, sa regular court, sa Supreme Court eh talagang panalo ka pero tila sa court of public opinion, dito ka natalo. Ano yung masasabi mo rito? Hubert Webb: I don’t believe we lost in public opinion. Naniniwala ako na maraming nakaka-intindi diyan ng katotohanan. Kasi kung sinasabi nila na nandito talaga ako, eh bakit hindi nila sabihin yung passport ko hindi tama o hindi... diba? In fact they stole it from us. And then they tried to see how original or authentic it was and lumabas sa Central bank na yungpassport ko authentic. So kung sinasabi nilang, “okay the passport is authentic but we’re not sure if it was really Hubert Webb who left," eh sino yung umalis dun? Jiggy: Hubert, sa pinakabagong insidente na pagkaka-drag ng pangalan mo sa kasong ito, ano pa yung naging epekto nito sa buhay mo at saka sa pamilya mo? Hubert Webb: You know, we are in pain. The family talaga is suffering right now because we believed in the system. We lost 15 years. The NBI came out with Jessica Alfaro saying that she is the true witness, saying that she saw everything. Sa Supreme Court sinabi na, that she was coached, she was a coached witness. And now they are going to come with what, seven new witnesses? Saying that these witnesses are authentic? That they’re telling the truth? Sus. Sa aming kampo, maniwala na sila, kami lang ang nagsasabi ng totoo. We have survived cross examination, we presented over 90 witnesses, over 400 documentary evidences that they cannot even say it to be false. Jiggy, Maki, do you know that we went to Secretary De Lima and we told her make it simple. If you can prove any of our documents are falsified or fake, I don’t need to go to trial, I will go back to Bilibid. I think that’s the best challenge anybody can throw at anyone. Maki: Magandang gabi, Hubert. Si Maki Pulido ito. Hubert Webb: Hello, Maki. Good evening. Maki: Kanina sa press conference, Yung lawyers mo directly attacked Sec. De Lima. Sabi nila ginagamit lang daw ni Sec. De Lima ang kaso para mamulitika. Ikaw ba or your family, do you share the same sentiment? Alam mo naman si Sec. De Lima is a multi-awarded public servant ah, mataas siya sa surveys. Lumalabas nga na most trusted cabinet member siya. Hubert Webb: Well I think I’ll leave that to my lawyers. I would rather not judge on anybody. It’s not my place to judge them but this is my place to tell you the truth and I was not in this country when this massacre happened. Maki: Ayon nga, Hubert, ano, lagi mong--- you always insist na wala ka talaga, sa Amerika. You’ve presented a lot of evidence regarding this pero hanggang ngayon… napakatagal na, ilang dekada na yung lumipas eh ito pa rin ang pinag-uusapan na sinasabi nga na nandito ka pa rin sa Pilipinas nung nangyari ang krimen. Hubert Webb: Maki, what’s the question? Maki: What do you think? Bakit ganito na lang lagi? Hindi na ‘to nalalagyan ng closure na lagi mong sinasabi that you were here. Meron kang ebidensya na you were in America, may ebidensya ka pero sila ini-insist pa rin nila na nandito ka. Why do you think na hanggang ngayon wala pa ring closure yang point na yan? Hubert Webb: My opinion? Maki: Yes, Hubert. Hubert Webb: Maybe the NBI don’t want to embarrass themselves with their first mistake, that’s my opinion. So they are moving everything to say that siya talaga yung gumawa. It could be an embarrasment nga naman diba? Maki: So ano ang magiging hakbang niyo ngayon? Sinabi kanina ng lawyers niyo na they might file disbarment case against Sec. De Lima. May update na ba tungkol diyan? Hubert Webb: Well, Maki, we are looking into this. Sa ngayon yung pamilya namin are still hurting from the incident and when we all talk about what we are going to do then we will update the public or everyone. Maki: Okay, maraming salamat sa oras na ibinigay mo ngayong gabi, Hubert Webb. Maraming salamat. Hubert Webb: Maraming salamat din sa inyo at sa inyong mga manonood. - GMA News
SONA Interview with Hubert Webb on June 29, 2011 Jiggy: Kagabi po ay nakapanayam natin si Ginoong Lauro Vizconde dito sa State of the Nation. Sa live interview po ay ipinakita ni Mang Lauro na tila nabuhayan siya muli ng loob sa paglitaw ng anim na bagong testigo sa kaso ng pag-massacre sa kaniyang pamilya. Maki: Ayon kay Mang Lauro, iginigiit ng mga testigo na narito sa Pilipinas si Hubert Webb nang mga panahong nangyari ang krimen. At para naman po marinig natin ang kabilang panig, makakausap po natin ngayon live, si Hubert Webb. Jiggy: Magandang gabi sayo Hubert, si Jiggy Manicad ito. Hubert Webb: Magandang gabi sayo Jiggy at Maki… at sa inyong mga nanunuod, magandang gabi sa inyong lahat. Jiggy: Hubert, nung ginagawa itong imbestigasyon, nagkaroon na ba kayo ng ideya na magiging ganito ang kalalabasan na findings ng NBI at ng DOJ? Hubert Webb: Well to tell you the truth, we were hoping that it would be unbiased but it seems that the NBI up to--- are back to their old games: trialing me by publicity, bringing out ghost witnesses that we can’t even face, sealing their names from us as Mr. X and Mr. Y saying that they are credible. So are we again to believe the NBI now? After they produced Jessica Alfaro? For all we know these are another--- for all we know these are more Jessica Alfaro’s which they’ve proven themselves to have done in the past, diba? Jiggy: At itong naging pahayag ni Secretary De Lima kahapon, ano yung naging reaksyon mo nung marinig mo kaagad itong naging mga pahayag nila? Hubert Webb: Nasaktan ako, nagalit, na-frustrate. Eh I hope that some of you can imagine losing 15 years of your life, believing in the system. And then i-a-acquit ka ng Supreme Court tapos maglalabas na naman sila ng ganito. I don’t know where can I go to defend my self now after this. Jiggy: Inamin ng DOJ at NBI na kumbaga talagang wala na rin naman silang magagawa dahil sinarado na nga ng Supreme Court itong kaso. Yun bang ganoong pahayag eh nakapagbigay sayo kahit papano ng, kumbaga comfort sa iyong pakiramdam? Hubert Webb: Jiggy, Maki, anong sinasabi niyong wala silang magagawa? Sinira nila ulit yung pangalan namin sa mga pahayag nila. Naglabas sila ng mga witnesses na hindi man namin makita. We can’t even cross examine them. How will you say that I would feel lighter that they can’t anymore put me back in trial? What relief can I get from that? Jiggy: Kumbaga sa korte, sa regular court, sa Supreme Court eh talagang panalo ka pero tila sa court of public opinion, dito ka natalo. Ano yung masasabi mo rito? Hubert Webb: I don’t believe we lost in public opinion. Naniniwala ako na maraming nakaka-intindi diyan ng katotohanan. Kasi kung sinasabi nila na nandito talaga ako, eh bakit hindi nila sabihin yung passport ko hindi tama o hindi... diba? In fact they stole it from us. And then they tried to see how original or authentic it was and lumabas sa Central bank na yungpassport ko authentic. So kung sinasabi nilang, “okay the passport is authentic but we’re not sure if it was really Hubert Webb who left," eh sino yung umalis dun? Jiggy: Hubert, sa pinakabagong insidente na pagkaka-drag ng pangalan mo sa kasong ito, ano pa yung naging epekto nito sa buhay mo at saka sa pamilya mo? Hubert Webb: You know, we are in pain. The family talaga is suffering right now because we believed in the system. We lost 15 years. The NBI came out with Jessica Alfaro saying that she is the true witness, saying that she saw everything. Sa Supreme Court sinabi na, that she was coached, she was a coached witness. And now they are going to come with what, seven new witnesses? Saying that these witnesses are authentic? That they’re telling the truth? Sus. Sa aming kampo, maniwala na sila, kami lang ang nagsasabi ng totoo. We have survived cross examination, we presented over 90 witnesses, over 400 documentary evidences that they cannot even say it to be false. Jiggy, Maki, do you know that we went to Secretary De Lima and we told her make it simple. If you can prove any of our documents are falsified or fake, I don’t need to go to trial, I will go back to Bilibid. I think that’s the best challenge anybody can throw at anyone. Maki: Magandang gabi, Hubert. Si Maki Pulido ito. Hubert Webb: Hello, Maki. Good evening. Maki: Kanina sa press conference, Yung lawyers mo directly attacked Sec. De Lima. Sabi nila ginagamit lang daw ni Sec. De Lima ang kaso para mamulitika. Ikaw ba or your family, do you share the same sentiment? Alam mo naman si Sec. De Lima is a multi-awarded public servant ah, mataas siya sa surveys. Lumalabas nga na most trusted cabinet member siya. Hubert Webb: Well I think I’ll leave that to my lawyers. I would rather not judge on anybody. It’s not my place to judge them but this is my place to tell you the truth and I was not in this country when this massacre happened. Maki: Ayon nga, Hubert, ano, lagi mong--- you always insist na wala ka talaga, sa Amerika. You’ve presented a lot of evidence regarding this pero hanggang ngayon… napakatagal na, ilang dekada na yung lumipas eh ito pa rin ang pinag-uusapan na sinasabi nga na nandito ka pa rin sa Pilipinas nung nangyari ang krimen. Hubert Webb: Maki, what’s the question? Maki: What do you think? Bakit ganito na lang lagi? Hindi na ‘to nalalagyan ng closure na lagi mong sinasabi that you were here. Meron kang ebidensya na you were in America, may ebidensya ka pero sila ini-insist pa rin nila na nandito ka. Why do you think na hanggang ngayon wala pa ring closure yang point na yan? Hubert Webb: My opinion? Maki: Yes, Hubert. Hubert Webb: Maybe the NBI don’t want to embarrass themselves with their first mistake, that’s my opinion. So they are moving everything to say that siya talaga yung gumawa. It could be an embarrasment nga naman diba? Maki: So ano ang magiging hakbang niyo ngayon? Sinabi kanina ng lawyers niyo na they might file disbarment case against Sec. De Lima. May update na ba tungkol diyan? Hubert Webb: Well, Maki, we are looking into this. Sa ngayon yung pamilya namin are still hurting from the incident and when we all talk about what we are going to do then we will update the public or everyone. Maki: Okay, maraming salamat sa oras na ibinigay mo ngayong gabi, Hubert Webb. Maraming salamat. Hubert Webb: Maraming salamat din sa inyo at sa inyong mga manonood. - GMA News
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